[ She's surprised to hear him speak of Luke. He doesn't often. It's sort of become this subject that they don't talk about, even though there's still so much to say. She wants to defend Luke, because of what he did in the end, and because of what he represents. But she had attacked him, too. Attacked him in defense of Ben Solo. That memory flows like water, something he can catch glimpse of it, if he's looking. ]

Luke let his fear that he might fail you be his undoing. You don't need to try to be anything. You are a good person, Ben. I see it in you, bright and clear.